Boric government sinks still lower - no surprises

This just in:

A bill in Chile’s lower house (Cámara de Diputados) would require that the president, his ministers, and sub-secretaries submit to a drug test each semester, with the results to be made public.

Such a measure could wipe the Boric government off the map. And it’s essentially an unabashed accusation of widespread illegal drug use by that government.

A reminder of the present confidence in the Boric government.

Votes were 81 in favor,4 abstentions, 35 against. The government’s representative, suffering from the munchies and severely dilated pupils, reportedly announced, “Wow, man, that could be, like, you know, like, maybe not constitutional, man.”

Source: El Congreso chileno busca que el presidente Boric y sus ministros se realicen un test de drogas - Infobae

Cariola y Mirosevic voted FOR??? Two very well-known fellow incompetent money-grubbing commie comrades voted against HIM and his inner circle??? That says a lot right there.

Yes, the nature of those voting for the measure does speak volumes. And the nature of those voting against it. The " Frente Amplio" and the Chilean Communist party oppose the drug testing.

Díme con quien andas…

And let us not forget that the diputados themselves are subject to that same drug testing

What’s good for the goose….


Some of the diputados made a public event of their participation in the drug test

More on the sordid Monsalve case.

Looks like the taxi driver may be the star witness:

Sort of translation of news item from 12 November:

The taxi driver’s statement supplied critical information to establish that the complainant [victim] asked to go to her apartment as soon as she got into the vehicle. It was only when they arrived there, in downtown Santiago, that Monsalve allegedly grabbed her, made her get back into the taxi and ordered her to change the route to the Panamericano hotel where he [Monsalve] was staying. A second detail is that she allegedly vomited in the taxi, which is linked to the question about her capacity to lawfully consent to a sexual relationship. According to investigators, she has no recollection of what happened during those hours.

https://www.ex-ante.cl/por-que-el-taxista-se-transformo-en-testigo-clave-en-la-formalizacion-por-violacion-contra-monsalve-que-prepara-la-fiscalia/

Evidently there are still at least three criminal cases in play.

One has to do with the rape investigation.

The second deals with leaks of investigation information to the media

The third relates to violation of the national law on “intelligence” or rather the use of intelligence gathering by the government. As noted earlier, Monsalve and potentially others may be charged for Monsalve’s ordering officials [apparently PDI but the news item says “intelligence personnel”] to run the security camera recordings to see if they captured Monsalve with the victim.

There is apparently still a possibility of additional obstruction of justice charges against Monsalve, Tohá, and maybe others.

Your government at work.

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14 November: Monsalve has been arrested.

Finally.

Monsalve seen in handcuffs. Until this arrest he was allowed to move freely. Prosecutors reportedly felt that he was a flight risk and should be taken into custody by PDI.

Esposado y escoltado por la PDI: Así fue el momento en que se llevan detenido a Manuel Monsalve

There had been speculation in the international press about Monsalve being allowed to remain in liberty to afford him the opportunity to flee the country, somewhat sparing the government for now the long-lasting embarrassment of media reporting of investigations and trials. Curiously, it was persons outside of the government, and not the PDI, who had been monitoring Monsalve’s whereabouts, bringing further questions about the Boric government handling of the matter.

Monsalve vanished into thin air after resigning as Undersecretary of the Interior due to a rape complaint filed on October 14 by a government official. He had last been seen at the Palacio de La Moneda. After that, local media monitored his home in Viña del Mar and also a residence in Concepción, where his family is, in a move to both seek a scoop and warning of any possible flight attempt…

From English language portion of Mercopress:

Honestly, I’m surprised he didn’t cross over to Bolivia weeks ago. I’m sure he’d know the best places to cross.

I read that there was an International Police alert if he tried to leave through the airport or legal border crossings. It sounded sort of like the situation with Jadue when he was supposedly going to Venezuela for two days with seven suitcases!

Found it:

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nacional/chile/2024/10/29/pdi-prepara-una-alerta-fronteriza-para-evitar-que-monsalve-salga-del-pais.shtml

There are soooooo many ways to easily cross the frontiers illegally. I’ve even done it myself, accidentally. I mean… accidentally… One of my former associates who got into trouble with SII used to go back and forth between Chile and Argentina illegally, on horseback, over uncontrolled terrain. Not a difficult matter. Just sayin’

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Not sure if it’s fair to say that Boric was accused of “sexual abuse” - the word was “acosar” or “me acosaba” to be precise. That could mean something involving physical contact, or it could simply be flirtations or unwanted chatups or something else. As I understand it, it’s a very vague term.

Boric has come out pretty squeaky clean by the look of it after years of people trying to pin things on him and investigating. He’s certainly an absolute saint compared to Donald Trump or any number of political leaders worldwide.

The accusation against Boric (at least the one that made the news in 2021) goes back to the year 2012 when he was a leader in the Univ of Chile student federation. There are several news reports

Translation of a portion of that article:

" …a woman published a post on her Instagram account denouncing [Boric] “He is a pig who harassed me when I worked with him,” she wrote. In the message she also stated that she would stop following anyone who campaigned for Boric, especially if they declared themselves to be feminists. In the aftermath, two leaders of the Frente Amplio validated the sexual harassment accusation. One of them is the well-known feminist and congressional candidate Emilia Schneider, who stated on her Twitter account that the facts were “true”. "

But again, what do we mean by harassed? She could just be a woke feminist who got upset because he said she was pretty and smiled at her at a social event and she consider that harassment because she’s a modern liberal. Or it could be something much worse.

We don’t really know at all.

Since it was only 1 accuser with no formal accusation or suggestion of law breaking, I think we have to ignore it for now. Do we really want to live in a world where reputations can be destroyed by 1 person saying something on social media, then backing down? I don’t think so.

Maybe she came out with her accusation to see if other women would come forward. Since they haven’t, it seems best guess he isn’t that bad.

It’s possible that the accuser may come out with more later on. It does seem like the left, including the accuser, decided to shut this down, in the interests of their group but once Boric has left office, it may make sense to revisit this. Given Boric’s approval ratings, the left won’t hurt itself by exposing anything he did, since they may have to come up with another Presidential candidate by 2029 anyway (or whenever the election is).

And she threatened to accuse him of acoso. Just as well he had the camera going.

The abusive weaponization of “human rights” is way too common these days.

Yeah, I feel sorry for all the younger males, the older ones with still healthy hormone levels or all of our gender who may end up being at the wrong place and wrong time with a sociopath/psychopath of whatever other gender which exist these days whether in Wokelandia USA or Wokelandia Shiiile.

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To be clear to everyone, inspite of my comment above, I think wokeness can be both good and bad depending on the case and in the specific case of sex/dating I think the problem of false accusations and men having to be super careful is less than the problem of sexual assault and violence against women, both in Chile, where there have been lots of cases of men killing women labelled as femicide, and globally. I learned a lot from the metoo movement. A key lesson from it is that women will just freeze and go along with things they are actually hating. Just because she hasn’t explicity said no doesn’t mean she is enjoying it, and it is doesn’t even mean it isn’t rape.

The irony or perhaps predictable result is that Chile’s ham-fisted approach (to whatever this wokeness thing is) has pretty much achieved results opposite those desired, even fueling increased violence. The government seems to be saying “limited progress” but that is something of a weasel-worded way of admitting to failure. The Monsalve case shouldn’t be seen as anything isolated, and may well be the embodiment of the contradiction between what the culture here falsely and only superficially promotes, and how it in fact behaves in its characteristically knuckle-dragging primordial Third World fashion.

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Well said. And the hypocrisy isn’t confined to Chile.

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They won’t let me post on discusshonduras.net

Is she the future of Chile?

Meanwhile other young Chileans are abandoning the country:

Abandoning the country has been a thing for many decades but yes, recently the exodus has exploded. In 1973 there was only one Chilean restaurant in the US, since such a thing was unthinkable. And now there are five. Unbelievable.

Emigration in the Boric years has gotten so bad that the country now apparently has more people leaving than legally coming in.

Of course, a lot of those chilenos who are leaving end up in jails and prisons in other countries.

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Meanwhile, the media treatment of the Monsalve debacle keeps heating up. From several angles now it seems like Tohá is trying to mount a defense to save her own political skin and reverse the abysmal (dis)approval of her office and performance, even if it means making her boss, Boric, look bad.

A look at the story in Ex-Ante, “Boric’s Darkest Day Since the Beginning of the Monsalve Affair”

My translation:

The latest political and judicial revelations about the former undersecretary have landed the case on the president’s own desk. In addition to Minister Tohá’s statements to the Public Prosecutor’s Office that she was not consulted by Boric on the most controversial decisions, there was the revelation that he informed his most trusted advisors, Miguel Crispi and his chief of staff, Carlos Durán, of the complaint before speaking to Monsalve. In addition, the complainant [victim] stated that one of the first people she went to tell about what had happened at the Panamericano Hotel was the sociologist Camilo Araneda, a close friend of the President.

What to watch: On Tuesday afternoon it was reported that the Chilean Air Force Boeing 767 aircraft that was to have transported President Boric from Brazil back to Chile, suffered a malfunction, so the delegation had to be changed to a smaller replacement aircraft

That was the end of a five-day tour of Lima and Rio de Janeiro where Boric participated in the APEC 2024 Forum and as a guest at the G20 Summit and held several bilateral meetings. His international agenda, unlike in other conflicts, was far from overlapping with the Monsalve case, probably his worst crisis since becoming president

With the arrest of the former undersecretary on Thursday and the start of his hearing the following day, pieces of the judicial case and the testimony of the main witnesses started to be revealed, escalating a problem that seems to have no limits at the presidential palace and now the crisis has settled on the office of President Boric himself.

Interior Minister Tohá now blames Boric for the most controversial decisions in the case. In her judicial declaration - made on 30 October before prosecutor Armendáriz - Tohá stated that she was not informed of, nor involved in, the most controversial decisions in the case, and that she attributed these to President Boric.

“Let me make it clear that I did not participate in that meeting and I had no further details about what they discussed,” Tohá said about the meeting held on 15 October at 8 pm between Monsalve and Boric, to discuss the [sexual assault] complaint

Tohá: "On Wednesday 16, I tried to contact Mr Monsalve to arrange the conversation that the President had defined, but that was not possible. When I informed the President of this, he told me that Monsalve was down south, since President Boric he had instructed Monsalve to go and discuss the matter with [the family of the victim]. "

Monsalve’s trip to the south is now one of the most controversial of the case regarding why the undersecretary was authorized to travel at all, and even using government aircraft, after which he resumed his normal work schedule on Thursday (until the investigation by the Public Prosecutor’s Office was leaked to media [La Segunda]).

Regarding the meeting on the 17th at 2 pm where Boric asked him to resign, Tohá said that the President “instructed him to immediately inform the press before leaving the presidential palace.” This gesture, presenting his resignation in the courtyard there, supplied an opportunity for Monsalve to claim his innocence, and this has been criticized as providing privileged treatment for the former undersecretary. Tohá’s full statement was published on Monday by [media outlet T13], triggering major convulsion at the presidential palace on Tuesday.


The article goes on to describe how Boric’s testimony is being increasingly viewed as inconsistent and essentially full of holes. The rest of the new story can be found at the media site:

https://www.ex-ante.cl/el-dia-mas-negro-de-boric-desde-que-se-inicio-el-caso-monsalve/


Edit 20 November:

Judge orders jail for Monsalve. Pre-trial custody. Carabineros are concerned for his safety at the Rancagua facility. Media report he is to be in “block 86” which is reserved for those accused or convicted of sexual crimes.

The syndicate charged with working the Rancagua jail reported that the " high security" facility is anything but, citing escapes and weapons found on prisoners. Very Chilean.

In my view the political impact of all this wil be minimal, same as legal consequences against Boric and others who -illegaly- tried to “promote a deal” or an arrengment with the lady. The case is not crystal clear and many people is dubious if a real crime happened, probably all that ado will be useful as smoke curtain to hide bigger scandals who they are trying to contain right now, namely “Caso Convenios”